Mr. Kevin Cardiff:

Well, if the answer is no, it will probably be hard to elaborate, but I don't ... I don't recall anybody saying "No". But the matter was discussed in the sense that at least it was raised and discussed. There was a slight bit more discussion - because I discussed a little bit more - about the issue of existing bonds but, no, I don't recall a contrarian view. On the other hand, when I've had contrarian ... when I recall my own contrarian views, not everybody recalls them, so. You recall better what you say yourself, I think, Deputy.