Mr. Kevin Cardiff:

No. Mr. Gleeson is right and wrong at the same time. If you see, my notes are ... as I explained to you, these were notes I wrote in a jotter - a habit - they weren't intended to be a minute, they're not a minute. So you'll see that there are notes there attributed to Mr. Burrows and then, a couple of lines down, there's a change in indentation, which, in the way I generally note these things, means that someone else spoke. So I don't think you can take it ... and I've seen, incidentally, in the package I think there are two different versions of transcripts ... so, my transcripts are accurate transcripts of my notes and, as I think I said to you last time, one shouldn't over-read notes that were intended for that purpose. But what was said was said. What's written down was said; it was said, it was written down at the moment it was said and where there's a line attributed to somebody ... someone said that line, but that doesn't mean they said every line afterwards. And, as I say, in the notes you can see there's changes of indentation and so forth.