Mr. John Moran:

I think that was a good meeting. You know, I mean, we had a very open discussion. There were some kind of ... as these things happen ... right, I mean, we're not remembering the specifics of it. I mean, you get a particular position on both sides. You make your points and then you gauge, as in any negotiation, whether you think you've actually gotten some people to understand where you're coming from.