Mr. John Moran:

I, Kevin, I think said earlier, "I won't invent a memory." I might have to do the same, I don't know when, I certainly asked the question because it was sort of strange to me, as a second secretary, that it was a bit strange that what I thought of as the people that were in the system leading the various Departments weren't getting together to discuss issues. It was made known to me by numerous people that, in actual fact, in the past the practice had developed. Maybe it's not a rule, maybe it should never have been there, but the practice had developed of discouraging what people referred to as the permanent Government from meeting separately. I am not saying it should be meeting, I am just saying that there is a question mark I would put out there. I thought it was strange that we didn't have those kind of meetings more frequently and actually my kind of suggestion here is actually it would be good to just get everybody in the same room, the Ministers and the civil servants periodically, like you would see in a company and actually just thrash out where are we going and what have we got to do.