Mr. Martin Callinan:

I personally have not been involved in any of the negotiations at conciliation and arbitration. However, I suppose this goes back to my earlier remarks regarding allowances and where they came from and from where they originated. The gentlemen on my left, who represent the bulk of the active service operatives on the ground, would from time to time, having listened to their members, bring to the table issues around allowances and would feel it is legitimate for them to raise at the conciliation and arbitration table the issue of a particular allowance for a particular cadre of officers. That is where the discussion takes place. All of the stakeholders -----