Seanad debates

Thursday, 7 March 2024

Nithe i dtosach suíonna - Commencement Matters

Financial Services

9:30 am

Photo of Robbie GallagherRobbie Gallagher (Fianna Fail)
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I welcome the Minister of State. The Central Bank has recently confirmed that large numbers of mortgage holders whose loans were sold to vulture funds are unable to use the ombudsman service to make complaints if they are in dispute over the handling of their loans. It is estimated that up to 100,000 borrowers have had mortgages sold to vulture funds, with credit servicing firms acting on behalf of the funds.

We now know that a legal loophole exists whereby thousands of people have no access to the Financial Services and Pensions Ombudsman, FSPO, and, therefore, do not have the same rights and protections as others. The loophole appears to have arisen between 2015, when the credit servicing Bill came into effect, and 2019, when it was tightened up to regulate credit services that act for the funds, which have since then been required to register with the Central Bank. The ombudsman is an independent and free service that helps resolve complaints from consumers with financial institutions. The Central Bank has admitted the issue needs to be rectified. It is not acceptable that customers may have serious and distressing issues but cannot complain when they have not had a satisfactory response from the regulated entity.

I understand it is now up to the Legislature to close the loophole. Tens of thousands of people do not have access to the financial services ombudsman and we need to rectify this immediately. People look to the Central Bank for independent analysis and fairness and all consumers should be equally protected. The Central Bank accepts that the ombudsman has determined it is limited in its jurisdiction because the underlying loan owner from the period 2015 to 2019 is not designated as a regulated financial services provider. This is a new determination. Apparently, the system was not aware of that decision until now, so it is urgent that the ombudsman be supported in every way to close that gap. Otherwise, options are limited for those affected.

These people cannot be expected to spend thousands on legal fees and barristers to rectify this issue. People should be able to make legitimate complaints about their financial services packages regardless of the complexity. Right now, the system is not equitable in that if one person is with a vulture fund and another has their mortgage with AIB, Bank of Ireland or PTSB, one can take their complaints to the FSPO, while the other cannot. This is not acceptable and it is time it was fixed. Many of these mortgage holders have had their loans sold without their knowledge or consent. Now they are at the mercy of vulture funds.

This gap needs to be filled immediately, and if legislation needs to be introduced, it should be done as an emergency. I appeal to those vulture funds to treat people with dignity and respect and not to try to gouge them for the last cent they have. That is simply not good enough, and we as a Government should not stand over any mechanism that allows that behaviour to exist.

Photo of Neale RichmondNeale Richmond (Dublin Rathdown, Fine Gael)
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I am grateful to the Senator for raising this timely and pertinent issue. A robust consumer protection framework is in place in respect of mortgages and other credit agreements.The consumer protection framework seeks to ensure that all Central Bank-regulated entities are transparent and fair in all their dealings with borrowers and that borrowers are protected from the beginning to the end of their mortgage's life cycle.

In addition, the Financial Services and Pensions Ombudsman plays a vital role for consumers of financial services in Ireland. The ombudsman is an independent, impartial, fair and free service that helps resolve complaints from consumers, including small businesses and other organisations, against regulated financial service providers and pension providers. The Consumer Protection (Regulation of Credit Servicing Firms) Act 2015 was a key development in the financial services consumer protection framework. The purpose of the 2015 Act was to protect consumers in the situation where an entity regulated by the Central Bank sold or signed its rights under a relevant credit agreement to an entity which, at the time, was not subject to Central Bank regulation. In particular, it made the activity of credit servicing a regulated activity and as such, any entity engaged in that activity, unless it was already subject to the relevant Central Bank regulation, came within the regulatory mandate of the Central Bank as a credit servicing firm.

As the Senator knows, it is the case that a number of queries and potential issues have recently been raised with regard to access to the ombudsman and its jurisdiction. The Department of Finance, in consultation with the ombudsman, the Central Bank and the Government's legal advisers, is currently examining the issues the Senator raised. The Minister fully recognises the importance of all mortgage holders having access to the ombudsman to have their complaints adjudicated upon. He has indicated that he is willing to introduce a legislative amendment to address the issue should that be necessary and possible. In the event that a legitimate amendment is required and possible, the Minister will seek to do this in the Financial Services and Pensions Ombudsman (Amendment) Bill 2023, which is currently before the Houses of the Oireachtas.

I hope this information is of assistance to the Senator. I share his frustration and anger. I have no doubt that if this needs to be done, the Minister, Deputy Michael McGrath, will ensure it is done as soon as possible.

Photo of Robbie GallagherRobbie Gallagher (Fianna Fail)
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I thank the Minister of State for his response to this very important issue. As he outlined, all we are seeking is that if these individuals who have had their loans sold to vulture funds, in many cases without their knowledge and consent, feel they have a legitimate complaint to make, there will be someone who will be able to listen to them. Currently, they do not have that avenue or mechanism. Therefore, I respectfully suggest that the Government move fast on this so that people who find themselves in this position will know there is an avenue they can pursue to get fairness and justice.

Photo of Neale RichmondNeale Richmond (Dublin Rathdown, Fine Gael)
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Should it be necessary, the Minister for Finance has indicated that he is, of course, willing to consider a legislative amendment to address the issue raised by recent ombudsman decisions, if that is possible. In that regard, the Minister has asked the Department of Finance to engage as a matter of priority with the ombudsman and Central Bank on the issues raised and to obtain the necessary legal advice from the Attorney General's office. This matter is being actively pursued in as speedy and thorough a manner as possible. I would absolutely appreciate the Senator's engagement in ensuring this is resolved as soon as possible.