Seanad debates

Wednesday, 29 November 2023

Nithe i dtosach suíonna - Commencement Matters

Third Level Fees

10:30 am

Photo of Lisa ChambersLisa Chambers (Fianna Fail)
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I welcome the Minister of State to the Chamber. I want to raise with the Minister for further and higher education the issue of the student contribution fee, and the reduction announced in the budget that reduces that fee by €1,000 for all students going to higher education and third level college. That was really welcome. It was a huge easing of a burden on students and their families at a time when cost-of-living pressures are very significant. Students really feel that intently when they are trying to do their studies.

I think an anomaly has popped up in the system that I am sure was not the intention of the Minister. I am asking that he reflects on and tries to address the matter in respect of students attending Marino Institute of Education. The difficulty there is that the Bachelor of Science in Education Studies and the Bachelor of Science in Early Childhood Education are not covered. Those students will not receive the €1,000 reduction in their fees, while in the same higher education institute, students doing the Bachelor of Education and the Bachelor of Education Through the Medium of Irish will receive the €1,000 reduction. It appears to be an anomaly. I am sure the Minister will tell me that the institute is a private college and that it is not the same as some other third level institutions. While that might be the case, it might be more acceptable were it not for the fact that there are courses taking place in that college where students receive the €1,000 reduction and other students in the same building do not. There is a level of unfairness to it that is undoing a lot of good work that was done by Government in giving that amount of money.

In Government terms, €1,000 out of the education budget is quite minor, but what it means to a student going to college for the year is the difference in paying rent for a few months, buying food, paying for transport and just being able to afford to go to college. The students, understandably, are very frustrated by this, as are their teachers and lecturers. Last year, the college gave a once-off bursary to students who were unable to avail of grants, but it is just not in a position to repeat that and it had hoped that the Minister would include the students on those two courses, the Bachelor of Science in Education Studies and the Bachelor of Science in Early Childhood Education.

I appeal to the Minister of State to ask the Minister for further and higher education, Deputy Harris, to look at this really small number of students in the grand scheme of things, and to think about the intention of this Government policy and what we were trying to do in the first place. We were trying to assist students with the cost of going to college, paying for fees, accommodation, food, transport and all of the things, and to help families. It was part of a wider cost-of-living package in the budget. As a Government, we are very proud of our cost-of-living measures and the package that we put together. In excess of €2 billion was put into those measures to assist families right across the country. I would be disappointed to see a good news story and a really good initiative and policy from the Minister, Deputy Harris, be tainted by this really small anomaly that is affecting a small number of students.

As I said, the teachers are fielding questions from students as to why they are not getting the fee reduction. There was an expectation that they would get it, so in some ways, as I am sure the Minister of State will appreciate, the money was nearly spent in their heads as to what it was going to go on in terms of costs for the year. To not get it, and to be heading into college knowing that other students and friends doing other courses in the same building are receiving it, is difficult. I appeal for sense and practicality and an air of logic to be brought to this. It is a very solvable problem. This is not permanent spending. It is not a huge amount of money, but it would mean a lot to those students and their families.

I also want to mention on the record the work of Councillor Frankie Keena, who has been working very closely with the college and the students. He brought this issue to me. He has shown me some of the distressing messages that he is getting from students. They would very much appreciate a positive answer and that every effort would be made to include them.

Photo of Ossian SmythOssian Smyth (Dún Laoghaire, Green Party)
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I thank the Senator for raising the issue. I am answering on behalf of my colleague, the Minister, Deputy Harris, who of course has gone to great lengths to reduce the cost of further and higher education for students.

The Senator will be aware that budget 2024 contains a package of measures to support households with the cost of living. These cost-of-living measures include a €1,000 reduction in the student contribution fee for those higher education students who are eligible for the free fees initiative. Under the free fees initiative, the State provides funding toward the tuition fee of eligible undergraduate higher education students. Through the free fees initiative, the State has assumed responsibility for compensating institutions for the income previously generated by student tuition fees. This payment is exclusive of the student contribution.Free fees eligibility is restricted to full-time undergraduate courses in public higher education institutions in the State. However, there are a limited number of designated courses in private, not-for-profit institutions that attract free fees funding. Marino Institute of Education is a private institution but it has charitable status under the co-trusteeship of the European province of the Congregation of Christian Brothers and Trinity College Dublin. Higher education courses delivered in Marino Institute of Education are accredited by Trinity College Dublin under arrangements that date to the 1970s. The college is funded for approved initial teacher education programmes by the Department of Education, which has an oversight agreement in place with Marino Institute of Education.

The Department of Education continues to have responsibility for initial teacher education policy. The funding provided by the State in the academic year 2023-24 is for two free fees-eligible courses. Students on those courses are eligible for the student contribution reduction of €1,000 in the 2023-24 academic year. Outside those two courses, the State does not provide support and therefore cannot benefit from the €1,000 free fees reduction.

Photo of Lisa ChambersLisa Chambers (Fianna Fail)
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I thank the Minister of State. I had anticipated that might be his response. I have probably addressed some of the matters he raised. I am aware of the structure of the free fees initiative and that the two courses I mentioned do not come under that. However, I refer to the practical reality on the ground. I think the Minister's intent when introducing this policy was to help students going to college. Marino Institute already reduced the fees of those courses, including the bachelor of science in early childhood education and the bachelor of science in education studies, to bring them in line with the other courses, keep students on a par and ensure equity. The Department of further and higher education is not meeting the college halfway on this.

I ask the Minister of State to take this back. I have discussed it with Councillor Frankie Keena, who, as I said, is on the ground and talking to students. This is a really sore point. It will be a missed opportunity if the Government does not address this. A small number of students are affected. We have to look to the true intent behind the policy as opposed to getting tied up in bureaucracy and which way the courses are set up. At the end of the day, they are all students and all have the same costs.

Photo of Ossian SmythOssian Smyth (Dún Laoghaire, Green Party)
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I thank the Senator. I understand the feeling that the students must have that this is something they were counting on, and that some courses are funded and some are not. It is open to Marino Institute of Education, as a private, independent institution, to reduce the fees in line with the Government decision, but the budget decision agreed by all parties was for the €1,000 fee to be applied only to courses where the State has a relationship through the free fees initiative. However, I understand that the Minister, Deputy Harris, is willing to engage with Marino Institute. I understand he has agreed to meet it shortly to discuss this matter. I thank the Senator for affording me the opportunity to respond to the House.