Seanad debates

Thursday, 20 April 2023

Nithe i dtosach suíonna - Commencement Matters

Defibrillators Provision

9:30 am

Photo of Robbie GallagherRobbie Gallagher (Fianna Fail)
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Tá fáilte roimh an Aire Stáit go dtí an Teach seo ar maidin. I am here this morning to seek an update on the out-of-hospital cardiac arrest strategy that we are beginning to roll out throughout the length and breadth of the country. As the Minister of State knows, many community groups across the length and breadth of the land have worked and fundraised hard to ensure that their communities have access to defibrillators or automated external defibrillators, AEDs, in the instance of cardiac arrest. AEDs are portable, life-saving devices designed to treat people experiencing sudden cardiac arrest, a medical condition in which the heart stops beating suddenly and unexpectedly.

The National Ambulance Service has a list of locations of more than 2,000 AEDs on its national computer-aided dispatch system, which it can use to advise emergency callers, although this is in its infancy. Sudden cardiac arrest is among the world's leading causes of death. Having access in the community to such devices is vital. For each minute defibrillation is delayed, the odds of survival are reduced by approximately 10%. Thus, having access to an AED and, more importantly, knowing how to use one is critical. As the Minister of State said here the last time I raised this issue, "Research has shown us it takes an entire system to save a life, which is why a strategic whole-nation approach is planned. Improving out-of-hospital cardiac arrest survival is essential". The national out-of-hospital cardiac arrest steering group was established to develop and implement a strategy to improve out-of-hospital cardiac arrest outcomes in Ireland. A strategy is very much needed because out-of-hospital cardiac arrest is a significant source of mortality and morbidity, with wide variation in reported incidence and outcomes globally. The voluntary efforts by communities deserve great credit, but they need to be backed up by a strategic system rather than an ad hocaffair. A nationwide approach to improving the strategy is absolutely essential.

I spoke the last time in the House about Buncrana Garda station, with which the Acting Chair will be very familiar, in Buncrana Garda district. The National Ambulance Service provided cardiac first response training to members of that Garda district. All of the members took it up and, as a result, the National Ambulance Service installed a defibrillator in every single Garda vehicle, including a motorcycle, in that district.

Many schools have also installed AEDs and have trained their staff in first aid. There is a clear ambition in the community to be able to respond to emergency situations. We need a culture right across the board, that is, in the community; schools; businesses; transport; and hospitality. There are plenty of examples of excellent resuscitation practice across the country that should be looked at with regard to national implementation, with the ultimate aim of improving survival outcomes nationwide. I mentioned how in Buncrana district, An Garda Síochána has rolled out defibrillators in all of its vehicles, including motorcycles. I hope the Minister of State will have an update as to where that is at countrywide, not just regarding the Garda fleet but also fire stations and their vehicles. They should also be equipped. In many instances in rural Ireland, there are, unfortunately, delays with ambulance response times. These Garda vehicles and fire personnel are in every community and each county throughout the country. It is important this strategy is progressed as quickly as possible because every second counts when it comes to trying to save a life.

Photo of Thomas ByrneThomas Byrne (Meath East, Fianna Fail)
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The Minister for Health, Deputy Donnelly, would like to thank Senator Gallagher for facilitating this chance to update the House on this important matter. The Minister is in the Dáil this morning answering health questions, so that is why he is not here.

Enhanced community response is critical to improving cardiac arrest survival rates, and this is wholly recognised in the national out-of-hospital cardiac arrest strategy, OHCA, from 2019, which is called Putting Survival at the Heart of the Community, from 2019. The National Ambulance Service, for example, has a network of more than 250 community first responder schemes supported by a community engagement team. In the event of a cardiac arrest, automated text messages direct community first responders to the scene of a cardiac arrest that occurs in the catchment area. The role is to help stabilise the patient by providing CPR and defibrillation while awaiting an ambulance crew. The evidence clarifies the significance of this role, as this time from collapse intervention is a direct determinant of cardiac arrest survival.

The strategy clearly sets out that improving survival from out-of-hospital cardiac arrest involves a number of initiatives. In 2021, percentage survival from out-of-hospital cardiac arrest was reported as 6.1%, with 178 people returning home to their families. One important aim of the out-of-hospital cardiac arrest strategy is to support Ireland to achieve similar survival rates to the best-performing European countries who, more consistently, achieve rates exceeding 10%.

Implementation of the national out-of-hospital cardiac arrest strategy is managed by the National Ambulance Service, with a multi-agency governance group drawn from the HSE, the national directorate for fire and emergency management, An Garda Síochána, the Pre-Hospital Emergency Care Council, the Irish Heart Foundation, Community First Responders Ireland, Dublin Fire Brigade and the Red Cross, as well as national and international academic expertise.

In countries that have achieved improved out-of-hospital cardiac arrest survival rates, police and the fire service are routinely dispatched in tandem with ambulance services. In line with this, the out-of-hospital cardiac arrest strategy recommends opportunities to involve An Garda Síochána and the fire services. The strategy and recommendations are endorsed by Government and are currently being developed and implemented.

Firefighters and gardaí from a small number of retained fire stations and Garda units, and Senator Gallagher has mentioned some of them, currently provide a response to cardiac arrest in their communities. Support for this is provided by the National Ambulance Service community engagement team, which manages and co-ordinates the community responses. Support includes provision of information sessions to firefighters and gardaí who are interested in providing an out-of-hospital cardiac arrest response, training days and follow-up meetings to participating services. Instructor training is also provided to enable each participating service to train its members to the appropriate responder level. Individualised post-call follow-up for difficult situations is also provided.

In common with other responders in the community, An Garda Síochána members and fire services personnel are provided with clinical governance through the National Ambulance Service clinical director, with co-ordination through the National Ambulance Service community engagement team. The out-of-hospital cardiac arrest strategy does not include a specific recommendation to equip gardaí, emergency services and fire service vehicles with automated external defibrillators, AEDs. The focus is on building the capacity, through teams, to respond quickly in the community.

Photo of Robbie GallagherRobbie Gallagher (Fianna Fail)
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I thank the Minister of State for the response. The statistic he gave about the current rate of survival in this country was 6.1%. As the Minister of State said himself, 178 people were able to return to their families, which is a very positive development. He also said that the European norm is slightly over 10%, which shows we have a way to go.

I very much welcome the strategy. It is an excellent idea. We have a resource within each community throughout the country in both the Garda fleet and the fire service vehicles as well. That should be utilised to its absolute maximum. We are talking here about saving lives, and it is to be hoped the next time this issue is raised in the House, that 6.1% will be closer to or even greater than the European norm of 10% and that more people will return home safely to their families.

Photo of Thomas ByrneThomas Byrne (Meath East, Fianna Fail)
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I thank Senator Gallagher. The Government is committed to ensuring Ireland continues to improve out-of-hospital cardiac arrest survival rates through supporting the strategy and all the work towards achieving a target of greater than 10% survival, as the Senator just said. To do this, there is a commitment to work with the National Ambulance Service in pursuing and endorsing opportunities to involve An Garda Síochána and the fire services. The strategy governance implementation group will continue its work to strengthen further the involvement of retained fire services in community first response to cardiac arrest.

Improving survival from an out-of-hospital cardiac arrest involves a number of initiatives. One of these is a specific aim to implement a National Ambulance Service national AED or defibrillator registry, which will be mapped on the National Ambulance Service dispatch system, and a supporting app for dispatching first responders. Work has already begun on developing this registry.

It is a good opportunity for all of us thank all of our emergency services who are part of the public service: An Garda Síochána, the fire services, the National Ambulance Service, mountain rescue, coastal rescue, and all of these people who do fantastic work. We should also thank our volunteer community first responders as well. It is an initiative that has grown up in recent years, and it is tremendous to see the commitment right across the country from ordinary people who have effectively trained themselves up, with assistance from the National Ambulance Service, etc., to be available within their community as first responders to keep people alive. Our thanks goes to them.

Photo of Niall BlaneyNiall Blaney (Fianna Fail)
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Absolutely, Minister of State. We can all agree with that.

Cuireadh an Seanad ar fionraí ar 10.07 a.m. agus cuireadh tús leis arís ar 10.30 a.m.

Sitting suspended at 10.07 a.m. and resumed at 10.30 a.m.