Victor Boyhan (Independent)

I understand exactly what the Minister of State means. That would be helpful to us. It would be helpful because there is, as I said, a crossover with children. We know there are very vulnerable children and there is no dispute that they are children. I am speaking as someone who knows some of these 16- and 17-year-olds. We all have families who have been touched by issues around this. It is very difficult for the guardian, the carer, the person in official care or the parents. These are challenging people and circumstances for everyone. Empowering people is all very well, but we also have to have the capacity piece. It would be important because, as I said, there are huge crossovers with the Departments of justice and children in this regard. It would be a crossover memo on that. As we are here today - I say this in the spirit of good will - there will be people on to us tomorrow saying they tuned in to this debate and felt that this was not explained to us. The Minister of State’s explanation and commitment to provide us with a briefing memo, hopefully well in advance of our next meeting, will be helpful.