Gerry Horkan (Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

He was not, but the Minister of State certainly was, as was I. We all know just how hard councillors work. Senator Black certainly made some valid points in her contribution about how hard councillors work. I do not know of a single councillor who ever went into it for the money, title, status or the possibility of wearing the chain, albeit that some people are fortunate enough to get that opportunity. They work exceptionally hard. We all owe a debt of gratitude to them.

Senator Higgins may go ahead.