Jerry Buttimer (Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

The point I want to make is that we have had enough reports and policies. Senator Marie-Louise O'Donnell is right in that respect. We need real reform. Senator Colm Burke is also correct that there are more people employed today in the health service - I believe there are 12,000 more - compared to the number in 2014. Members opposite come into the House to give out about everything. I put it to Senator Humphreys that I know that it is hard, but he was part of the Government that took decisions to build the country back up.