Mark Daly (Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

I agree with Senator Conway about the information being provided to Ministers. Mark Twain said that "facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable" but when one does not have the facts, there is nothing one can do about it. While heads should roll, in a modern democracy, the fact that the lists are not accurate means that the HSE has a lot to answer for. That does not mean that the Minister is not the person in charge. The former Minister, Deputy Varadkar, appeared here many times and one would swear that he was a commentator on the health service instead of being the Minister for Health. Nobody can point to any reforms he made when he was Minister for Health.

The leader of the DUP is also a person who seems to be unable to grasp facts as they apply to the real world. She is not a woman of detail, as we know, because even though she was in charge of the department that promoted and signed off on the renewable energy scheme, she said she did not realise that the devil was in the detail and that, in reality, she was giving away hundreds of billions of pounds to people to literally burn money. She was not very good on facts when she said yesterday that more people in Northern Ireland-----