Trevor Ó Clochartaigh (Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

Absolutely. If the Minister of State would let me finish, I might be able to clarify why I feel that is so. Senator van Turnhout rightly noted that there were many criticisms of the system over the years. She outlined that she felt at that stage that there were two overarching issues. One is the issue of conditions in the centres while the other is the length of time. What we are hearing from the Government in this debate-----