David Norris (Independent) | Oireachtas source

That is not true. Let us go on a little more. I suppose we will have to go into voting. The Minister, Deputy Richard Bruton, said ten reports had been published, yet we still had the same undemocratic, ineffective Upper House. Members opposite are undemocratic and ineffective according to their Government. Is that what they want to be? I challenge the people over there. The one opportunity they had to save the House was related to carer's allowance. One brave man acted, while the rest sang dumb. Now, some are using it as an excuse not to change. They say the people will say they are only seeking to save their own skins as they failed to vote on the issue of carer's allowance. Why did they fail to vote on it? Shame on them.