Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

I want to finish the list of bicameral parliaments and prove the point about the House working so well. The list continues as follows: Saint Lucia, Senegal, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sudan, Swaziland, Switzerland, Tajikistan, Thailand, Trinidad, Tunisia, United Kingdom, Unites States of America, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Yemen and Zimbabwe. Those are all worthwhile countries that have proved clearly why it is so good.

The document which I have at my disposal on bicameral parliaments, Seanad Éireann and OECD countries states that federalism and large populations are the normal indicators of bicameral parliaments. Ireland is unusual for having a second Chamber - I will have to change that one. The composition of the Seanad is unique in terms of representation and indirect election and appointment. This is an excellent document and the Seanad deserves to have it. One has to study this to cast a vote on this House. Every Member should have an opportunity to contribute to the debate and then to make up his or her mind and say, "Sorry, we will reject this Bill and will not have a referendum." After 90 days the Government may decide to bring in an amendment to the Bill to have a choice based on the recommendations of the Minister of State, Deputy Brian Hayes, which are excellent. I believe the people would decide to have a reformed Seanad, not to abolish it. That is the main purpose of my contribution.

I will deal with each section as it arises. In the circumstances I think there are others who wish to contribute. I am sure Senator John Crown will wish to contribute. I will conclude my contribution but I intend to come back with further elaborations and information which I have at my disposal. I hope to get some more details from the Minister of State's report because it is important to get it on the record.