John Whelan (Labour)

I, too, share the concerns of Senators O'Donovan, Keane and Cullinane with regard to the trainee pilots. I would like to welcome to the Visitors' Gallery two young neighbours of mine from Laois who are caught up in this debacle, Cathal Simpson from Stradbally and Mark Ryan from Portlaoise. There is no point in playing games or politics here or in pretending that having a debate here and dragging the Minister to the House will help anybody. There is no need for a debate. There is nothing to debate. Everyone is agreed on what needs to be done. We need the Minister to meet the families and the trainee pilots and to resolve the issue. So, let us stop show-boating and let us stop pretending that by dragging him in here we are helping anyone.