David Norris (Independent)

I thank the Cathaoirleach. I appreciate his help. The more important matter is the significant discussion that was held here. Leading academics and commentators from all over the world were invited to this Chamber. I welcomed them here. It was an interesting, lively and informed discussion. I compliment the Members of the Seanad who were either invited or participated spontaneously from the floor. They distinguished themselves. However, it is important to register that when they were asked on a vote, 90% of those taking part supported the retention of the Seanad, but with reform. The remaining 10% simply abstained. The bad news for the Taoiseach is that, from a distinguished panel of international experts, not one person supported the position he took.

Will the Leader of the House explain why, if the facilities of this House were being used - there was, apparently, an involvement of this House in it as a kind of subterfuge which, happily, backfired - if it was a serious situation and although there were two members of staff at the desk, no attempt was made to make a record of the proceedings? There is no transcribed record and it is only of use to those who have a memory of what happened. That is lamentable. If one was serious about it, such a record should have been provided. Perhaps it is just as well because they did not get the response they wanted.

The second point I want to make is connected. I rearranged my diary for this event, because I believe in freedom of thought and freedom of expression. I did not know what would come out of it but I am happy with the result. I took over the Chair from Dr. Maurice Manning who could not be present because he was involved in the launch of the report on the Irish Human Rights Commission.