Maurice Cummins (Fine Gael)

Obviously, it did not sink in. I hope the answer sinks in this time.

Senator Mullins mentioned The Gathering. I will arrange for a debate on this matter.

I do not propose to accept the amendment to the Order of Business, proposed by Senator MacSharry. He is right; it is a very serious matter that we have 218,000 people awaiting an appointment for a consultant. That figure which came out is indicative of the transparency of this Government. When previous Governments were in place we could never discover what numbers of people there were or ascertain-----