David Norris (Independent)

We are getting a measly sum of less than one third from it, which is extraordinary. If we can make so much money out of it, why does the Government not nationalise it? Why are we so stupid? Are we telling the international community that we are lazy, stupid, thick and inefficient; that we cannot even run our own lottery and that if it does it for us, we will it them shovel loads of money? That is what is behind the thinking. This is very important because the proceeds from the national lottery are used to fund all kinds of projects. It funds sports projects, the Arts Council, the national theatre and various other projects. Therefore, it is something to be treasured.

I counsel my friends and colleagues on the other side of the House to vote with us. Their proposal has reasonable qualities, but the amendment tabled by the Government is appalling. It welcomes the decision to sell the national lottery, recognises its major achievements - the only part of the amendment with which I agree - and welcomes the terms laid down of the next licensing agreement. Should we welcome the fact that we receive less than one third of the proceeds? I am not going to welcome it. If the Minister does, shame on him. He has told us how poor the country is. He is like an old one saying, "Don't hit me with the baby in me arms." He is also bringing the children's hospital into it. He always does this.