Caít Keane (Fine Gael)

I have spoken previously about multiple intelligence. As everyone is capable of having multiple thoughts, I understand Senator John Crown's comments in that regard.

The Leader should ask the Minister for Justice and Equality to consider the issue of the non-payment of fines. While the Minister stated previously that he was working on it, I do not know its status. Therefore, the Minister should make a statement on the issue. This morning I listened to a highly intelligent girl being interviewed on radio. She had been fined €500 but asked what was the point of paying the fine when she could go to prison instead. She actually went to the prison, signed her name and address and was out within four to five hours. As it was exactly the same with her second fine, she asked why should one bother to pay. There was no reason to so do in the knowledge that one would not be kept in prison but would be let out. The Minister should ascertain whether there is any way to put in place a system of deductions at source for persons who have been fined but decide not to pay for whatever reason. In the first instance, I refer to people who have jobs but also to those in receipt of social welfare benefits. There must be some penalty associated with this. Many individuals who go to court receive free legal aid. They take up the time of the Judiciary and the Garda. However, as someone stated on the insurance issue, this is not free, as someone is paying for it. We are fooling ourselves if we think this is the way to deal with the system.

I have listened to many intelligent people who have been fined and could engage in community service. However, the provision is not being implemented in the manner intended. There are many jobs available and many capable people with outstanding fines who choose not to pay them who could be used in this manner. However, the deduction of the fine at source would put a little pinch on everyone's pocket and people would then think twice about it rather than deciding not to pay the fine. Why should one bother to do so, if all one must do is stay in prison for five hours before one is back out on the street? The Leader should ask the Minister for Justice and Equality to come to the House to make a statement on the matter.