Denis O'Donovan (Fianna Fail)

I am not siding with Senator Rónán Mullen; I am just saying he should be present to hear these remarks. I am trying to be fair as Leas-Chathaoirleach. As the Senator raised the issue, rightly or wrongly, he should be present when the Minister is making such an emphatic reply which he, in turn, may be right to make. Perhaps the matter can be dealt with in another way.