Ned O'Sullivan (Fianna Fail)

I support the Minister's position. There are two limits, with one for a standard driver and another for the learner and professional. That is logical and reasonable so I accept there should be a graduation in that respect. The Minister made the most salient point of the day and the Senator would admit that his amendment cannot stand because it would be reckless.

We know the 2010 Bill was quite difficult for the Government at the time and it had to face down serious lobbies. It came up with a reasonable solution. Half my water glass filled with beer would put a person over the limit. Senator Mullen envisages a position where a person could be put over the limit with a particularly strong aftershave or using a mouthwash. One could go to a ridiculous extent. The Minister has said we effectively have zero tolerance and we will be counting angels on the top of pins if we go down the road suggested by Senator Mullen in his amendment.