This is reasonable as judges' pay can be reduced in line with the public service pension reduction levy and the various pay reductions that have come into effect. What I am trying to avoid is an unhelpful vagueness. Is it possible that a future Government could or would identify some nearly non-existent class of persons receiving public money in this regard? As I mentioned, these people may not need to be public or civil servants. On this pretext, extreme cuts could be made to judges' pay, which would certainly be an unacceptable attack on the important principle of judicial independence, bringing the issue of judges' pay within the scope of negative political influence. We must cater for a future where there will be a temptation to populist politics; some would say we have already succumbed to the temptation to point to other classes of people and make them the scapegoats. For that reason we must be precise and we must be clear on what is being permitted.