Jan O'Sullivan (Limerick City, Labour)

I understand the Senator's concern. Under this section, it is only on summary conviction that the class A fine or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months would be imposed, whereas there is a more serious penalty for conviction on indictment. Almost certainly, if somebody was directly and knowingly involved in these crimes, it would be an indictable offence. The intention of paragraph (a) relates to where somebody might unwittingly have been brought into this somehow or other by somebody with whom they were associated, to ensure there is a possibility of leniency where there was a genuine lack of knowledge of what was happening on that person's part. There is also the more serious penalty. Senator Ivana Bacik who is a legal expert in many ways-----