Fidelma Healy Eames (Fine Gael)

I am sticking to the facts. I withdraw the name but the Member is in this House. It is absolutely appalling. We have a banking crisis that will result in a debt which will cost us €6 billion just to service by 2014.

The Minister of State should get real and listen to the real issues affecting business. I do not ask him to listen to me but to the account I have read of the struggle of a business that is still in place, giving employment and paying taxes which go towards paying Members of this House. I will hand over to Senator Phelan, who has some real proposals. If the Minister of State is genuine, he will implement at least one or two of them.