Joe O'Reilly (Fine Gael)

I accept that, but it is vital that we make the point. It is equally vital that we make the point that there is no link between a discussion of child abuse and the reorganisation of educational structures and that Cardinal Seán Brady's name should not be mentioned. That is not valid.

I return to a point raised by Senator O'Toole. He called on the Leader to arrange a debate on the legislation proposed in the Dáil by Deputy Varadkar to have Government charges reduced by 5%. I ask for that debate to take place. Government charges are a huge contributory factor to our lack of competitiveness, costs and inflation. They should be reduced in line with the need to reduce costs.