Larry Butler (Fianna Fail)

Senator Norris was correct when he said we made our own decisions about pensions and the way we looked after ourselves. That is fine, but we are not as well looked after as many others, including bank managers. Members of the teaching pension are working and drawing a teacher's pension. Retired civil servants are working in the private sector and continue to draw their pension. The motion is hypocritical and cynical and would never have been tabled if its movers were not seeking the populist vote. That is what is happening this evening.

Three individuals have not yet given up their pension and Members opposite want legislation to be drafted when they know in their hearts the pensions issue will be decided after the next elections when there will be a new mandate in that regard. The cost of bringing forward legislation to deal with the position of the three individuals in question would be far too high.

It is important to thank those who have given up their pension voluntarily. People on both sides of the political divide have done so and it is important that we bear this in mind, as people face different financial demands which could be the cost of nursing home care for a parent, other financial or family arrangements, etc. We all are subject to different financial constraints.

I support the Government amendment. It is important to ensure that when we table motions in the House, they are sensible. I would rather see a proper debate on the economy which is what should have taken place this evening, rather than engaging in a cynical exercise such as this.