Nicky McFadden (Fine Gael)

I read this differently. In my experience of elderly people, if they are in the system and are well cared for on a long-term basis it gives them great security, and their families are free from anxiety. I hear the point Senator Norris is making, namely, that it is almost a sentence for life and one never gets out. I am interested to hear what the Minister of State has to say.