Joe O'Toole (Independent)

It was interesting to hear the debate on the hijab taking place in other fora during the past week. As a young child in Dingle, I recall that our teachers, who were nuns, were veiled. At that time when women went to church, they always covered their heads with a hat, mantilla or a veil. It was accepted as normal practice. I make that point because the question of the wearing of the hijab by Muslim girls or women in Irish society needs to be addressed. In the recommendations on Seanad reform, the Seanad was considered an important place for debate. The Minister has insisted there will be debate on the matter, which is good, but could we lead that debate? I do not pretend to know the answers but I have views on the issue and would like to hear the views of others. Everyone's view is important.

I gave that example from my youth because practice becomes normality. I followed the debate in France very closely, although I am not sure whether I was happy or unhappy with the outcome. It challenges us in all sorts of ways in terms of whether it helps pluralism and integrates society or does the opposite. One could argue both sides. It would be very helpful to have a debate in which people could offer their views and in which the Minister who will deal with this, whether it be the Minister for Education and Science or the Minister of State responsible for integration, could engage in an open way without prejudice to what might happen. Let us hear people's views.

We have touched on three or four occasions on the issue of stem cell research. Our colleagues across the water and in other European countries are grappling with this issue. We are afraid to deal with it because we may not like the outcome. I may have different views from others on the matter. This is another issue on which we should lead the public debate. We should let people hear both sides of the argument and inform society. That is an important role for the Seanad. We will have three debates on Statements this week. As one who is privileged to attend Leaders' meetings — although I am not a Leader — I am happy issues on which Members have asked for debate will be debated. These are two further important issues.