Alan Kelly (Labour)

In the recent past, we have listened to various Members of both Houses raise the issue of public sector reform. It has been raised again in the House today, as it has been on most days recently. I agree that the House should have a debate on public sector reform although I am not sure I would go along with some of the views of other Members. I agree wholeheartedly with Senator O'Toole on the issue of how the Government is going about managing change from a public sector perspective and its mismanagement of the area. However, I disagree with his acceptance of the views the Taoiseach has expressed in recent days.

Public sector reform is the buzz phrase being used lately. We need to define what we are talking about because we can be talking about many different issues. I am not sure whether there is a consensus on the focus of the reform that is needed. I found it extraordinary that the Taoiseach was able to stand up yesterday and blame everyone bar his Government for the fact thousands of people are waiting for speech and language therapy. Half the posts in my area of north Tipperary are not filled and have not been for a number of years. After 11 years in Government, it is extraordinary and ridiculous that he can blame everyone but his Government.

In considering public sector reform, we cannot allow employers to target the administrative and clerical grades alone. A discourse seems to be emanating from many employers in a certain tone, which is not acceptable. We must look at the management, the quangos, the boards and the level of their performance. There are a number of questions——