Ann Ormonde (Fianna Fail)

I concur with the calls made by other speakers for a debate on overcrowding in prisons and new models. I listened carefully to Senator Mullen when he spoke about how we could introduce a rehabilitation element before locking away people, which is not the way forward. I would welcome a debate in which we could discuss the potential roles of the Departments of Justice, Equality and Law Reform and Education and Science. I am like an old gramophone record in that I speak every day of the week about the role that society can play. We can only do so much but working together we can develop new models of justice and rehabilitation.