Ivor Callely (Fianna Fail)

In light of the manner in which the leaders work, whatever about the Committee on Procedure and Privileges and the Standing Orders which are the ground rules for the House, and in light of the changes in the systems in place, can we ask the leaders, if not the Cathaoirleach's office or the Clerk's office, to work out a programme to allow us to have real debate, as Senator Fitzgerald said, if not in this House in a plenary session or a committee, where we will be able to invite, as Senator Butler referred to, the Minister for Education and Science, the local authorities and so on——