Brendan Ryan (Labour)

Now we know. In terms of philosophical reflection, one would not disagree with a word the Minister has said. He, however, said that one does not determine what is ethical on the basis of philosophical reflection but on outcomes. I am entitled to ask for evidence of outcomes. He continues to obfuscate on the question of extraordinary rendition. I did not suggest, nor have I ever heard Senator Norris suggest, that we had any evidence these unfortunate prisoners passed through Shannon Airport. We said that the deliberate policy of the Government was to facilitate the aircraft used to do this.