Fergal Browne (Fine Gael)

In fairness, Senator Jim Walsh cannot afford to be smug on this issue. I draw his attention to the fact that a similar scheme in Sweden resulted in 17,000 guns being handed up while we got only 300, most of which were relics. Numerous shootings occurred this week and whatever about the high level of crime, if criminals have guns, fatalities will occur. This has been proven recently, both in Kilkenny and in Dublin. The Government cannot afford to be smug on this issue.

I agree with Senator Terry on the need for a debate on gender equality and equal pay. I am not in favour of gender quotas, as is the case in some countries, because they are the worst form of sexual discrimination. When I was abroad last week I was asked why there are so few women in Irish politics. That is a difficult question to answer. All Members have encouraged people of both sexes and all ages to enter politics. It is difficult to convince people to become involved. It would be worthwhile to have a debate to see how we can encourage more people into politics and other professions.