Dick Roche (Wicklow, Fianna Fail)

I think "maze" is more appropriate because we have been going around in slightly decreasing circles, ending up in the circumstance I have outlined.

I do not mean to be patronising when I say this proposal is worth considering. I am genuinely committed to and interested in creating a more vibrant role for the Seanad. I share Senator O'Rourke's enthusiasm — she has beaten me on the head with it — for Seanad reform. The committee I mentioned can focus on this issue in the short term. I thank the Senators who tabled this Private Members' motion. We should have debates of this nature more frequently. I have outlined, without being destructive, some of the practical issues on which we need to decide. When those issues have been dealt with by the Committee on Procedure and Privileges, which can do so easily, the all-party group can take it from there.