Derek McDowell (Labour)

I defer to Senator Norris if he wants to posture on the fashionable side of this argument, but I point out to him that the fashion is not to be found in the letters column of one newspaper or in the collective musings of the NGO sector. The Senator should attend one of Senator Cummins's meetings to find out from people who have experienced such behaviour where the real balance of opinion lies rather than gauge that from articles written by people who wit around on subjects the hard side of which they have never experienced. I speak with some passion because as a constituency representative I know from what constituents who call to my clinic have relayed to me what they have seen and heard——