Mary O'Rourke (Fianna Fail)

I see. That is a fair point. The old adage of Horace, festina lente, would apply, as it does in many other matters. Senator Ryan also referred to the GRA and the confrontation with the Oireachtas. He sought a debate on the HSA. I was nonplussed to discover from the HSA that the number of deaths that occurred shows an increase of 50%, which is huge.

Senator Dardis spoke about the Garda and the Army and the excellent and professional service provided by both security bodies. Senator Finucane quoted what he claims the Minister said. The Senator can check what the Minister said in the Official Report. Senator Mansergh spoke about the GRA and the authority and discipline of the Garda. He also referred to Ms Kathleen O'Toole from Boston. I know her very well; she stayed with me last summer. I have known her for over 12 years.