Brendan Ryan (Labour)

One will get a BSc in engineering in UCD. That is the plan and I think it will be followed in the whole third level sector. Therefore, people will have three years of free fees followed by two years in which to get a properly recognised degree in engineering where fees will be re-introduced for two out of the five years, in other words, 40% of the student's time. This is fees by the back door. If the Government has a policy of agreeing with this plan it ought to be a policy and not slipped in by universities operating with a nod and a wink from the Department of Education and Science. I ask the Leader to arrange for a long debate on that whole area of funding and third level education and all the changes taking place, Bologna and so on, in the new year because I know the Minister would be glad of an opportunity to elaborate on it. This is an appropriate Chamber for it to be done.