Martin Mansergh (Fianna Fail)

That is probably an understatement. The Leader and Charles Haughey had the courage to do the right thing. Does anyone now criticise those decisions? I will not beat about the bush. The best time may be when the move to Grangegorman is complete, but the Dublin Institute of Technology deserves university status because of its students, its staff and the research they do. I will make a similar argument on another occasion for a university of the south east modelled on the University of Ulster. There will be people in the National University of Ireland, in Trinity College and so on who will advise against this, and say it is a question of standards. Those colleges draw people from the south east. The argument has been conclusively made, and it was made in the Minister's speech, regarding the linking of technology, third level education and employment. The Minister will probably want to be remembered for many initiatives in education, but I urge her, as the Leader did in 1989, to give this issue her serious consideration.