John Dardis (Progressive Democrats)

I do not disagree that we should examine this issue under Seanad reform. However, this is a ruling from the Chair and is not a matter for debate. It would be entirely wrong therefore if, on the basis of what Senator Tuffy has said, the impression was given that something mischievous was being done to prevent these matters from being debated. I raised the issue of disability on Second Stage, which was the appropriate arena.

Whether it is the Disability Bill or any other Bill coming through the House, we cannot introduce an amendment that imposes a charge on the State. It is out of order to do so and we cannot do it. There are other ways of raising these important issues. I do not want anybody outside the House to have the impression that something was done here to prevent them from being debated. This provision with regard to a charge on the State is a standard provision and a constitutional obligation on the House. We know well that when we debate the Finance Bill we do not have amendments, but recommendations. We must be clear with regard to our powers. However, that is not to say the issue should not be discussed under reform of the Seanad. It should, but it is a constitutional issue that is involved.