Ivor Callely (Dublin North Central, Fianna Fail)

Those involved in the process are genuinely trying to resolve some of the difficult issues presented by a capital city, enjoying such an economic boom as has Dublin for a number of years, and accounting for people with disposable incomes who have second and third cars at a time when the infrastructure between the canals has not changed. This has given rise to a problem. While it should be acknowledged that roads can be built out of the city, we should not complicate the congestion problems by utilising the good road structures that are being put in place to deal with some of the other issues. Sometimes the issue of traffic congestion within an existing infrastructure gets complicated by some of the good work being done. I am pleased that Senator O'Toole is acknowledging what I am saying.

I should be interested to know the type of debate we would be having if we adopted self-regulation correction stations, that is, where one's vehicle is corrected in the same station and one comes out with a certificate. None of us has a crystal ball, but there were good reasons for having independent NCT test centres that would not identify and repair the problem, take the money from the customer and issue the certificate. I see Senator O'Toole is acknowledging what I am saying.

On the question of the integrity of the garages, while there are people who would put their hands up, there are garages, such as SIMI members, which comply with standards. I have been in one recently and I have seen ordinary garages with the requisite testing equipment. Nevertheless, I understand that not everything appears on the printout and I do not believe——