John Minihan (Progressive Democrats)

I can assure him from my knowledge of the military that if such an exposé were to take place, the programme would not be over before the military authorities would have the director of military police on the line and a military investigation would be started immediately. That is my experience.

I accept what Senator Maurice Hayes said about closed societies. No one was more frustrated in the Defence Forces than I. The attitude was, close the gates, build the walls higher and let nobody in. I held the opposite point of view, that we should be out selling ourselves and the job we did.

As I said on Second Stage, we have to be very careful we do not go down the road of over-civilianising the Army. Armies are different. I do not envisage——