Terry Leyden (Fianna Fail)

No, they were not. They were for investment. It has changed now because interest rates at the time were about 20% while the interest rate they gave was 3%. A factory in Longford saved 120 jobs because of the scheme that was in operation. I wish the Minister well. He has made very good arguments and has been very persuasive. As a juror, I would side with the Minister.