In references to the Green lobby I detected a sense of "us and them", a suggestion that those in the Green lobby are the baddies. I do not agree with that – Senators would not expect me to. It is important that citizens raise issues that affect them directly. As legislators, we must take a wider view, but if something is coming down on somebody, he or she has an absolute right to protest. What we need is implementation of good laws that already exist. The EPA was set up under weak legislation. Its staff do a very good job and try their best but the Green Party has criticised the legislation under which they operate. If we were to take seriously the implementation of European environmental legislation and stop paying fines for infringement, we would be moving a long way ahead.