Senator Norris raised the issue of France and Germany's non-adherence to the Stability and Growth Pact. He also raised the issue of stem cell research and the daft things he has heard about this on the radio. The best and most reasoned debate I heard on radio this morning was between Senator Mary Henry and Senator John Hanafin. Both Senators were able to give their point of view without either getting ratty with the other. It is good that it was two Senators who were debating as there are elected representatives other than Deputies.