Senator Daly supports Senator Terry on the issue of non-payment of statutory contributions by certain employers. Senator John Paul Phelan asked about Garda reform and called for a debate on the arts. The leader of the Opposition asked for that debate some time ago. The Minister was in the House last week to speak on tourism but we have told him that that this Seanad has had no debate on the arts. We will endeavour to get him back to the House on this matter.