John Paul Phelan (Fine Gael)

I agree with Senator Leyden although it is interesting that his initial remarks were almost directly contradicted by his subsequent remarks, perhaps not for the first time. I also agree with what Senator Quinn said about reducing the delays and costs associated with the existing court system.

People have legal rights and we should not infringe the right to legal representation. We all understand that the new system will be paper-based but some people will have to have legal representation in dealing with the PIAB. All public representatives are familiar with people who come to us for help. I accept that the Bill does not prohibit legal advice. Legal representation will be necessary in some cases because some people will not be able to deal with the PIAB. That is the purpose of the amendment.

I am glad there seems to be widespread agreement in the House regarding these amendments. I understand what the Tánaiste is trying to do and that we are trying to reduce costs. The Employment Appeals Tribunal, where this system currently exists, allows the claimant to pay costs. If such a system were adopted by the PIAB it would be a welcome development. I urge the Tánaiste to accept the amendment.