Other countries should constantly have debates as we have done. There were constant debates in the Houses of the Oireachtas and in the Joint Committees on European Affairs and on Foreign Affairs and the Forum for Europe. Now that enlargement is taking place it cannot be presumed that everything is hunky dory and rosy. Since 1973 when Ireland joined the European Economic Community things seemed to slide. We sat back and became quite lethargic about European affairs. Nobody cared about what was happening in Europe but we were delighted to become involved when it came to the development of education and the economy. We all gained from membership but we were not knowledgeable about the EU and we were not making decisions about it. We did not become part of Europe, but that has all changed.