I have no idea how the national rail procurement agency got the figures for some of its projects. I have no idea how they were suddenly halved and indeed, halved again, when the RPA got one piece of advice about the Madrid figure and another on the Dublin figure. I am sceptical about both figures. I do not believe any more that the necessary expertise and competence exists. It is probably available, but it is most assuredly not being used in this country. The only public body I know that seems to be able to deliver major capital projects on budget and on time, is the ESB. In my wilder moments, I suggest we should engage the whole ESB to become project managers for the country. It seems to be able to manage projects much better than anybody else when it is allowed to and is not subjected to political interference.