Incineration has been discussed in the debate and the whole argument of incineration versus landfill has been raised. I have not heard anyone who has spoken in favour of incineration admit that even if we build thermal treatment plants, we will still be obliged to have landfill sites to accommodate what comes out of such plants at the end of the process. The idea that we will suddenly get rid of dumps around the country by building a big furnace, whether it is called an incinerator or anything else, is completely wrong. People who expound that view should be corrected. Landfill sites are going to continue, irrespective of whether they contain the vast bulk of waste or the residue from thermal treatment.